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CNG Chicago February Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Eric Dastolfo
38:02
Doh, I forgot Pam! :--) Hey Don! Good to "see" you!
Carla Graham
38:15
Good morning. Thank you Sponsors
Don Nemer, Learnosity
38:22
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Carolyn Dellutri
38:25
Thank you sponsors!
Bill West
38:26
Good morning, everyone! Fun breakout rooms and great speakers today! Expecting big things, Don & Johnna
Judith Hale
39:03
Thank you sponsors.
Elisa Kahn
39:53
Thank you all you kind sponsors.
Dr. Kathleen Whitmire
39:53
Hi, Patrick, from Greensboro NC
Judith Hale
40:49
If you are developing curriculum to support your certifications or Microcredentials, consider joining me on Wed 23rd at noon central on best practices in instructional design, speaker is Max Cropper. www.HaleCenter.org
Pam Rosenberg
43:11
WCNG…. That wins today!
Jennifer Naughton
44:32
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Jennifer Naughton
45:02
Dr. Kathleen Whitmire
01:01:53
What's the difference between exam based and assessment based?
Allison Foster
01:07:44
can someone define the difference between a credential and a micro-credential? Is it simply narrowness of the scope?Or are there other key differences?
Jennifer Naughton
01:08:58
definition of what a credential is can vary considerably
Jennifer Naughton
01:09:04
micro
Judith Hale
01:09:22
Here is a simple answer. Assessment based usually goes beyond knowledge test, such as successful completion of an academic prep. It is also used to mean performance-based tests
Allison Foster
01:12:19
Are there models where someone has to earn the macro credential first and then can add on micro credentials?
Carla Caro
01:12:57
I.C.E. has developed a Microcredentialing Toolkit that includes guidance on best practices, case studies, results of research, and other resources. You can access it here: https://www.credentialingexcellence.org/Resources/Microcredentialing-Tool-Kit
Tom @ Lineup
01:14:00
It seems that there would need to do pre-implementation surveys of the market done to determine the risk of cannibalization prior to offering fully in the market. There could also be the risk that another organization or other market factors will end up taking volume from your core program if you do nothing.
Dr. Kathleen Whitmire
01:17:54
I'm assuming micro-credentials can be stacked for ongoing career advancement. Is that correct?
Judith Hale
01:20:38
Yes, they can be stacked - recognize increased capability or more comprehensive capability. They can also augment or be an add on because the practitioners have a need to demonstrate knowledge/capability in a new development or a deeper level in one of the domains
Jennifer Naughton
01:20:41
Correct
Jennifer Naughton
01:23:01
Kathleen - per your stackable question - ICE article on the topic and a quick read. https://www.credentialinginsights.org/Article/5-things-you-should-know-about-stackable-credentials-1
Beth Weinstein
01:25:14
What is the difference in average salaries with s micro or macro credential for medical assistants?
Jennifer Pitts
01:26:24
What about using microcredentials to stack on top of your macrocredential and require the macro first? Especially in a situation when your macro credential requires recertification hours that a microcredential (deeper scope more advanced) skills
Carla Caro
01:32:21
Jennifer, meeting continuing education/continuing professional development requirements is a great use of microcredentials in specialist or advanced areas of practice.
Allison Foster
01:35:05
Do employers understand the difference between the certification and these certificates?
Sandy Greenberg
01:35:08
Micro-credentials also present an opportunity in the case wherein a NEW PRACTICE PATTERN emerges. The micro-credential may serve as an element with the continuing professional development of previously macro-credentialed practitioners.
Lenora Knapp - Knapp & Associates Int'l
01:36:58
Agree @Sandy
Andrea Nelson
01:38:40
Great information.
Judith Hale
01:38:46
Thank you Johana, very informative.
Elisa Kahn
01:41:50
@ Allison, in my experience, employers and very often employees do not know the difference between Certificate (of completion), certificate as in an assessment based certificate and certification (credential). Now, if we through in micro credential, the employer will need to be coached on the definition and use
Allison Foster
01:42:39
ok one last question and then I will stop. :) Do you have to do a separate JTA for micro credentials?
Elisa Kahn
01:42:40
through= throw. sorry
Lenora Knapp - Knapp & Associates Int'l
01:43:07
We haven't yet talked about the value of micro-credentials for upskilling and reskilling
Johnna Gueorguieva
01:43:19
Allison - it would depend on how it will be used.
Elisa Kahn
01:44:25
Don; stop. Johnna is correct. Consider if the MC is for continuing education or as necessary for safe practice of a job
Elisa Kahn
01:44:35
Don't stop.
Sandy Greenberg
01:45:00
YES. you should do a thoughtful analysis or the area. it need not have all of the bells and whistles of a traditional job analysis. also, think about the CLAIMS you are making with regard to the micro-credential.
Johnna Gueorguieva
01:45:00
Yes - thank you Elisa.
Johnna Gueorguieva
01:45:25
And Sandy :)
Elisa Kahn
01:45:27
:-), but maybe i should stop typing with all my typos
Lenora Knapp - Knapp & Associates Int'l
01:45:56
Agree again @Sandy!
Elisa Kahn
01:46:34
and me too. Thx Sandy
Sandy Greenberg
01:47:23
i think @Lenore and @Elisa have great judgment
Elisa Kahn
01:47:55
You're cute Sandy. that's why i love you!
Jennifer Naughton
01:48:28
Interested to hear the perspective on this... Needs assessment or a JTA? which one do you do if it's an assessment based certificate?
Beth Weinstein
01:49:15
Any general suggestions on researching segmenting markets?
Judith Hale
01:49:32
A needs assessment and a JTA answer different questions. So you should do both
Elisa Kahn
01:49:45
Personally, if it is for an ABC, I would follow the accreditation standards for ABC.
Adrienne Bryant, CAE
01:49:55
So could you have two pathways to earning the credential? That is, one pathway is to earn each micro credential (let's say there are 4 micros) and by earning all four, you earn the macro credential? And then have one pathway that is the traditional where the candidate goes straight to taking the exam after their application is approved?
Veronica Whitehead
01:50:26
good question Adrienne...I'd like to know as well
Adrienne Bryant, CAE
01:51:25
Thanks @Veronica!
Sandy Greenberg
01:51:58
Needs assessments/feasibility studies may be driven by financial-planning considerations. the JTA or task analysis may be driven by content validity issues. how do you identify the depth and breadth of the target focus? When you development a micro-credential, you are making a statement about a logical (and worthy) unit of analysis.
Ibi Layi-Ojo
01:52:26
@Jennifer - Both the needs assessment and JTA are essential to develop a good microcredential
Linda Anguish
01:53:54
The ICE1100 standard specifies that a job analysis is required if holding the certificate is a job requirement. Here's some additional info: https://www.credentialinginsights.org/Article/needs-analysis-for-assessment-based-certificate-programs-1
Jennifer Naughton
01:55:11
Great discussion and resources...
Jennifer Naughton
01:55:16
jta and needs assessment
Ted Ramsay
01:55:59
Thank you very much for today's conversation. I have to drop.
Elisa Kahn
01:56:21
@ Adrienne, not so much an answer but questions to conider in the discussion...will having 2 pathways confuse the market? If one earns 2 of the MCs, will they be eligible for the same jobs as the single Macro test? Will there be a time limit to earn all 4 micros? Will the fairness in testing be compromised if the same credential is awarded to both groups?
Elisa Kahn
01:56:41
And there are many more questions for this analysis
Mel Broccolo
01:56:57
@christine Can you post the links to those websites you mentioned in the chat?
Tom @ Lineup
01:57:35
I appreciate the perspectives and answer Don provided re cannibalization. Thanks!
Adrienne Bryant, CAE
01:57:40
Thanks, @Elisa! Great questions! This was just a thought that came to me.
Carla Caro
01:57:47
@Mel, here is the I.C.E. Microcredentialing Toolkit: https://www.credentialingexcellence.org/Resources/Microcredentialing-Tool-Kit
Sandy Greenberg
01:58:26
thank you all for the great links in chat. very useful.
Elisa Kahn
01:58:55
@ Adrienne, more questions than answers which leads to the global answer of "it depends"
Ibi Layi-Ojo
01:58:58
That is so true Don!
Mel Broccolo
01:59:10
Thanks Carla! Good resources there.
Patricia Buley
01:59:11
Thank you to the sponsors, speakers and facilitators! Excellent session.
Elisa Kahn
02:02:41
Nice job facilitating Christine
Linda Anguish
02:04:04
Info on certificate vs. certification: https://www.credentialingexcellence.org/Accreditation/New-to-Accreditation/Certificate-vs-Certification
Adrienne Bryant, CAE
02:06:16
@Elisa, so much truth! But, I find the question phase exciting even though it may lead me down a rabbit hole or even to an "it depends".
Elisa Kahn
02:06:52
@ Adrienne, agreed. All part of the analysis.
Patrick Flynn - Examity
02:09:17
Great presentation! There is so much to learn about this...
Robert Leonard
02:12:47
I have a question, has anyone used a micro credential as an alternative pathway for a macro credential if the macro credential has an education requirement (e.g. macro credential has a 4-year degree requirement but your program will waive that if they have 'X' micro credential). If you do, what issues have you (if any) with stakeholders, other certificants, etc.
Linda Anguish
02:13:11
That is correct, Don
Adrienne Bryant, CAE
02:14:38
@Robert - great question. This though process is what led me to ask the question I raised earlier.
Melanie Lloyd
02:20:45
Great topic covered today. Thank you for this informative presentation.
Carla Caro
02:20:51
Wonderful session Don and Johanna!
Gayle Rosnick
02:20:52
Wow! Great session for sure
Jay Cariño
02:21:00
thank you!
Diane Thompkins, ANCC
02:21:03
This was great, For the first time this topic became clear. Thank you.
Sandy Greenberg
02:21:08
totally agree about how GREAT this session is.
Tom @ Lineup
02:21:14
Thanks to the presenters and those that added in the chat - great information sharing!
Ibi Layi-Ojo
02:21:15
Great session! Thank you Don and Johnna!
Sharon Burns
02:21:16
thank you for all of the references to the resources!
Brigid Flood
02:21:16
Thank you - this was a great session.
Cicek Svensson
02:21:22
Great session! Thank you!
Jennifer Naughton
02:21:28
https://www.credentialinginsights.org/Article/5-things-you-should-know-about-stackable-credentials-1
Cornelia Springer
02:21:30
👏
Anne Minton
02:21:33
Great session! Thank you!
Robert Leonard
02:21:34
Great session everybody!
Sandra Samargis
02:21:44
Wonderful session, and VERY informative. Thank you Chicago CNG!
Jennifer Naughton
02:21:58
Thanks sponsors, Thanks everyone for attending and for your engagement.
Ibi Layi-Ojo
02:21:59
Thank you Chicago CNG👏🏼
Mike Miller
02:22:02
Great session
Vicki Gremelsbacker
02:22:06
Great session, thanks!
Elisa Kahn
02:22:15
Thx